DCAL Consultation
Friday, January 17, 2014
Please find below the minutes from a meeting held yesterday in Stormont
buildings regarding the consultation and the likely outcome.
We could condense the conte
nt but would
prefer people to read it themselves.
Basically it will be illegal to be in possession of a dead Salmon or Sea
trout and most anglers will be able to continue with their favourite
method of Angling whatever that may be.
It's not perfect folks but it is impossible to please everyone and we
believe there is something for everyone in this and that it is the best
possible result for our wild fish stocks.
Official Report (Hansard)
Session: 2013/2014
Date: Thursday, 16 January 2014
Committee for Culture, Arts and Leisure
Salmon Conservation Regulations : DCAL Briefing
The Chairperson: I welcome Aidan Cassidy, head of inland fisheries;
Seamus Connor, chief fisheries officer; and Liam Devlin, Department of
Culture, Arts and Leisure (DCAL) official.
Gentlemen, you are very
welcome. You are no strangers to the Committee. I ask you to make your
presentation.
Mr Aidan Cassidy (Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure): Good
morning. Thank you very much, Chair, for the opportunity to brief the
Committee on the draft regulations. They will implement the agreed
outcomes of the recent consultation on salmon conservation measures in
the DCAL jurisdiction. You will recall from our briefing on 28 November
2013 that we had given due consideration to the views of a wide range
of stakeholders during the consultation process. A series of proposals
have now been agreed with the Minister. A set of regulations have been
drafted to implement them across the DCAL jurisdiction.
Chair, with your agreement, I would like to pass to Liam, who is
responsible on our side for the legislative programme. He will take the
Committee through the detail of the draft regulations.
Mr Liam Devlin (Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure): Thanks, Aidan.
Aidan has already touched on the consultation, which closed in September
2013, in which we sought views of a wide range of stakeholders and
comments on a range of proposals to regulate the implementation of catch
and release and a ban on salmon netting.
Following a briefing to the
Committee in November, regulations have been drafted to implement the
following agreed salmon conservation measures. The first is the
introduction of mandatory catch and release for salmon and sea trout
angling. This means that any salmon or sea trout that are caught after
the introduction of those regulations must be returned to the water
regardless of condition.
There are some exceptions to catch and release
to operate on waters which consistently meet management targets for
salmon stocks. At present, it is proposed that only Lough Melvin will
be exempt in 2014, as data demonstrates that it has a sustainable
surplus above conservation limits. Anglers would be able to take only
two salmon from Lough Melvin during the entire season. Carcass tags for
those fish would be administered by the local angling club.
With regard to methods, prawns and shrimps, and worms after the end of
June, would continue to be permitted as salmon baits in conjunction with
single and double barbless hooks. Salmon netting would be prohibited.
However, the regulations would set criteria for the issue of salmon-net
licences in the event of a resumption of netting and for compensation
for affected netsmen. The regulations also establish criteria for a
resumption of salmon netting should stocks recover. Such fishing can
resume only when it does not adversely affect a special area as defined
under the habitats directive or any rivers which do not meet such salmon
management targets as may be determined by the Department.
The format of an angling licence has also been amended to facilitate the
issue of one licence for all standard game angling and one for coarse
angling. Licences will also incorporate an angling log book, which
anglers will be required to complete to record angling effort for salmon
and sea trout caught and released.
Following the Committee's recommendation at our briefing in November,
the regulations also now provide clarity on the definition of barbless
hooks, describing such hooks as a hook from which the barb or barbs have
been removed or bent closed or which is manufactured without a barb. I
trust that that will meet members' approval.
The legislative impact of those new measures is complex. The
Departmental Solicitor's Office (DSO) has advised that the fisheries
regulations 2003, which are the principal body of subordinate
legislation regulating angling and commercial fishing activity, need to
be completely rewritten to reflect the prohibition of salmon netting and
the introduction of catch and release. That work has been completed.
The new set of fisheries regulations have been drafted. They reflect
the new legislative requirements and also incorporate all amendments
made to the original regulations since their introduction in 2003.
With regard to salmon netting, two separate regulations are required.
That is because the Department has only expressed powers under the
Fisheries Act (Northern Ireland) 1966 to control the use of drift nets
for the taking of salmon from the sea. For the other types of netting,
namely bag nets and tidal draft nets, the Department has had to use its
designation under the European Communities Act 1972 in relation to the
environment to legislate for the prohibition of those nets. That
designation has also been required to introduce a compensation package
for affected netsmen. Thus, the salmon drift net regulations 2014 will
prohibit the netting of salmon by means of a drift net. The salmon
netting regulations 2014 will prohibit the use of bag and tidal draft
nets and introduce a compensation package for netsmen who are affected.
With regard to the next steps, when approvals are in place, the
regulations will be officially made and laid in the Assembly for
scrutiny by Members for a period of 21 days. If no objections are
raised, those regulations will come into operation by the specified
date, which is 1 March 2014. It is also the start of the general
game-fishing season.
We are now happy to take members' questions.
The Chairperson: Thank you very much. With regard to discussions with
netsmen, are they on board and content with such matters as the issuing
of licences in the future and their compensation levels?
Mr Cassidy: Yes, Chair. We have had a series of discussions with the
netsmen concerned. That process is ongoing. We have a series of
meetings over the next couple of weeks. There is broad agreement from
the netsmen. They recognise the importance of the legislation. Over
the past couple of years, they have demonstrated their commitment to it
by volunteering not to fish. We have written into the legislation the
condition that they have the right to apply for a licence in the future
if they have held a licence in one of the past three years. So, if we
reach a situation in the future where there are harvestable stocks of
salmon, they can apply for a licence at that stage.
We have spoken to them in general terms about compensation. We will
engage with Land and Property Services to assist in that process. That
will take place with effect from early March subject to the regulations
going through, of course.
The Chairperson: With regard to the next steps, will further information
come to the Committee on the detail of that?
Mr Cassidy: Yes. We can provide the Committee with the detail of that.
Essentially, it is a matter for Land and Property Services to engage
with regard to coming up with a compensation package. The Committee
will be aware that there are compensatory arrangements in the existing
regulations, with regard to potential buyout schemes, for example. The
intention now is to offer, at this stage, a one-off payment to
compensate the fishermen concerned for the loss of income. As I said, we
will engage with Land and Property Services to go through the detail of
that with each of the netsmen concerned.
The Chairperson: Are you confident that those conversations will be
concluded in a satisfactory manner in advance of the legislation being
laid before the Assembly?
Mr Cassidy: That is a good question. Land and Property Services has
agreed to start that work from March, so I cannot confirm that that will
be the position. Each netsman has different circumstances and will
want to set out his or her case for compensation. So, we will not have
the conversations completed by the time the legislation comes into
force.
Mr Ó hOisín: I declare an interest as an angler and as Chair of the
Assembly's all-party group on angling.
I have been lobbied by quite a
number of the angling clubs and associations as well as by angling lobby
groups like the No Salmon Nets (NSN) group. So, there are a number of
technical questions that I want to go into because there is a lack of
clarity.
In terms of hook usage, there was a recommendation for single or double
barbless hooks. Where does that leave the use of treble set-ups, such
as Devon Minnows, Mepps Spinners and Pennel Rigs, in coarse and trout
fishing? Those hooks will still be allowed to be used for other
species, so there will be a grey area there.
Mr Cassidy: Thanks for your question. Seamus, do you want to pick up on
that?
Mr Seamus Connor (Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure): Essentially,
these regulations apply to salmon fishing only. So, if you are fishing
for brown trout or for coarse fish species, other methods are allowed.
So, the regulations are aimed at those who are fishing for salmon and
sea trout.
Mr Ó hOisín: That will cause an issue with the period, particularly for
worm fishing, in that somebody can just say that they are fishing for
brown trout outside of the period that is designated for salmon. Do you
understand that that is a shortcoming in the legislation?
Mr Connor: Yes.
Mr Ó hOisín: In DCAL waters, it is illegal to be in possession of a
salmon or sea trout carcass.
Mr Cassidy: Correct.
Mr Ó hOisín: Could that be clarified?
Mr Cassidy: Absolutely.
Mr Ó hOisín: There was some discussion about the dos and don'ts for the
2014 season. I am reflecting what people are saying to me, and they are
not sure about that. Is any guidance, such as a booklet, being
produced for anglers? A lot of the angling clubs are holding their
annual general meetings (AGMs). There was some talk about a video as
well. Where does that sit?
Mr Cassidy: Obviously, there is an important role for the Department in
working with the angling clubs to raise awareness of the new
regulations. Seamus Connor, who is our chief fisheries officer, is
going to lead a programme of engagement with angling clubs. As part of
that, we are going to produce a question-and-answer brief on all aspects
of the new legislation, and that will be posted on our website.
We have also produced a video on catch and release, and, as part of the
consultation meetings with the angling clubs, we will show it and post
it online to give a clear illustration to anglers of what we see as
permissible methods and the best way to handle catch and release.
Mr Ó hOisín: Will that be done before the start of the game season?
Mr Cassidy: Absolutely. Once the legislation has gone through the
House, we will roll out a programme of meetings across the North.
Mr Ó hOisín: Is there any designation of those excepted rivers or
stretches? What is the situation in terms of the Loughs Agency
regarding tags for the incoming season?
Mr Connor: Any DCAL waters within the Loughs Agency's control will be
subject to its regulations. [Inaudible.] as far as I am aware, the River
Roe is the only one we have, and it is meeting its management target.
So, it will be subject to the tag allocation. Within the DCAL area,
Lough Melvin is the only exception.
Mr Ó hOisín: There was some talk, Seamus, about the Lower Bann, being
excepted, but that has not happened?
Mr Connor: No, that is certainly not excepted. The Lower Bann is
currently not meeting its conservation or management targets either. So
it definitely will not be an exception.
Mr Hilditch: With the introduction of the various pieces of legislation
which we hope to have in place for the start of the season, will there
be there any impact on staff and resources? Are you content that there
is enough in place to deal with everything?
Mr Cassidy: Yes, that is a very good question, Mr Hilditch. We
recognise now that it is important that we manage these fisheries to
ensure compliance with the new regulations. The Minister proposes to
support the private water bailiff scheme by offering support to angling
clubs by paying the initial cost of registration. Seamus Connor and his
team are also going to offer training and advice to the angling clubs
with respect to their role in supporting the Department to protect
fisheries.
It will not have a direct impact on our staff at this stage. We have
scoped this work and we are confident that we have the resources at
present to do that. However, we rely very heavily on the anglers who,
effectively, are our eyes and ears on the riverbank to help support our
work in the protection of fisheries. As I have said, the Minister
recognises that and will support a programme to assist the private water
bailiffs in that respect.
Mr Hilditch: Will there be a policy of prosecution for breaches, or is
there a warning system?
Mr Connor: We are keen to be strict on those caught with a salmon in
their possession. Certainly, I am keen on enforcing this wherever it
occurs. Each breach of the legislation will be looked at in its own
right. However, I will put the message out for clubs with private water
bailiffs that we effect this very clearly. It should be very clear to
everyone that those caught in possession of a salmon are likely to face
prosecution.
Mrs McKevitt: Thank you very much for coming to the Committee this
morning. I am a little confused over eligibility for compensation for
the netsmen. I think I heard you say that, if they had a licence within
the past three years, they would be eligible. Were there any issues
with the licensing — given the fact that everything has been, sort of,
up in the air over the last couple of years — that would exclude
netsmen?
Mr Devlin: Over the past couple of years, the netsmen have signed up to a
voluntary agreement not to fish. They were issued with their licences,
and they provided those assurances to us. So they have all had
licences, albeit they have not fished them. So, there is no eligibility
issue with regard to the six netsmen who are currently eligible for a
licence, in that they would have received a licence in one of the past
three years.
Mrs McKevitt: OK. Maybe I have missed it, but is there a minimum
compensation level or threshold written into the regulations for the
netsmen? If there is not, why not?
Mr Devlin: There is not a minimum threshold written into the
legislation. Clearly, we will be guided by Land and Property Services
on how the compensation will be calculated. It will take a variety of
issues into consideration in doing that, including catch records over
the past few years and the impact on business. It will be about loss of
income. Even if that loss of income is minimal, we will still have to
consider making payment on that basis so that it is equal for all six
netsmen.
Mrs McKevitt: Is there not a disadvantage to the netsmen if you are
talking about their catches in the past number of years, when they were
not really catching?
Mr Devlin: They were not really catching, but the compensation will be
based on loss of income. That is the material impact on the netsmen
affected by these regulations. We have also protected the heritage and
culture of netting as well, in that those six netsmen who are currently
fishing will have the option of first preference, should netting ever
resume. If not them, a nominee of theirs will be eligible for the issue
of nets. So, we have considered both income and their cultural
heritage in the making of the regulations.
Mr Cassidy: Can I just pick up on an earlier point that you raised in
relation to the compensation and when we would have that in place? The
reality is that, at the moment and until the legislation comes into
force, we have no regulatory authority to engage in offering
compensation. So we need the legislation in place before we can
formally engage with the netsmen and Land and Property Services to
determine the compensatory package.
The Chairperson: OK. Thank you. Now, with regard to the next steps in
the laying of the statutory rule, on what date should we anticipate
receiving that from the Department?
Mr Devlin: Once we get approval from the Committee, we will take steps
to send the regulations to the printers and lay them before the
Assembly, hopefully, in the next week or two. Then, under the 21-day
rule, that will allow them to come into operation for the general start
of the game season, which is 1 March.
The Chairperson: Thank you very much. Are members content that the
Department proceeds to make the statutory rule?
Members indicated assent.